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	<description>Contending EARNESTLY for THE Faith</description>
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		<title>Comment on Benny Hinn&#8217;s Wife Sues for Divorce by Abraham</title>
		<link>http://www.christian-witness.org/blog/?p=26#comment-11877</link>
		<author>Abraham</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.christian-witness.org/blog/?p=26#comment-11877</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Time and time again contributors on this and other web sites try to warn against impostors and false apostles. In the same manner, the same responses come back from non-discerning 'mawkish' sentimentalists - 'don't criticise the Lord's anointed', 'hurt not My prophets' and 'you shouldn't criticise'. Why not? Jesus warned us of end time deception in His body, yet huge swathes of folk will always support the Hinns and the Bentleys without any form of discernment. 
Tell me then why Jesus rebuked the Pharisees so often, they were certainly in the mould of today's false prophets and so-called anointed apostles. We should never take a text out of context and use it to 'whack' those who know God and His Word a lot better than we do.  The predator is very busy in the body today, the sheep must be warned and, because of that, empty-headed sentimentality is of no use nor benefit to seekers after truth. Salvation is for eternity, never let yourself be beguiled by the Deceiver, seek after the gifts of the Spirit, particularly 'discernment'.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time and time again contributors on this and other web sites try to warn against impostors and false apostles. In the same manner, the same responses come back from non-discerning &#8216;mawkish&#8217; sentimentalists - &#8216;don&#8217;t criticise the Lord&#8217;s anointed&#8217;, &#8216;hurt not My prophets&#8217; and &#8216;you shouldn&#8217;t criticise&#8217;. Why not? Jesus warned us of end time deception in His body, yet huge swathes of folk will always support the Hinns and the Bentleys without any form of discernment.<br />
Tell me then why Jesus rebuked the Pharisees so often, they were certainly in the mould of today&#8217;s false prophets and so-called anointed apostles. We should never take a text out of context and use it to &#8216;whack&#8217; those who know God and His Word a lot better than we do.  The predator is very busy in the body today, the sheep must be warned and, because of that, empty-headed sentimentality is of no use nor benefit to seekers after truth. Salvation is for eternity, never let yourself be beguiled by the Deceiver, seek after the gifts of the Spirit, particularly &#8216;discernment&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Benny Hinn&#8217;s Wife Sues for Divorce by Giles</title>
		<link>http://www.christian-witness.org/blog/?p=26#comment-11716</link>
		<author>Giles</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.christian-witness.org/blog/?p=26#comment-11716</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not a Hinn fan myself - just a normal Jesus follower. I'm also not a fan of pointing fingers and using tragic situations in peoples' lives to gloat and puff up their own polemics. You without sin cast the first stone. Divorce is not necessarily an indication of a person's character or of their 'correct doctrine' - but writing reams and reams of stuff against other Christians, and setting up a 'ministry' to do so, does indeed say much about a person's character and has as much to do with following Jesus as a grass hopper has. It also has nothing to do with being a Berean - they were noble [Acts 17:11].&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a Hinn fan myself - just a normal Jesus follower. I&#8217;m also not a fan of pointing fingers and using tragic situations in peoples&#8217; lives to gloat and puff up their own polemics. You without sin cast the first stone. Divorce is not necessarily an indication of a person&#8217;s character or of their &#8216;correct doctrine&#8217; - but writing reams and reams of stuff against other Christians, and setting up a &#8216;ministry&#8217; to do so, does indeed say much about a person&#8217;s character and has as much to do with following Jesus as a grass hopper has. It also has nothing to do with being a Berean - they were noble [Acts 17:11].</p>
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		<title>Comment on To Judge by Nasir Shakeel</title>
		<link>http://www.christian-witness.org/blog/?p=7#comment-11582</link>
		<author>Nasir Shakeel</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.christian-witness.org/blog/?p=7#comment-11582</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Respected Sir&lt;br /&gt;
I am Nasir Shakeel, a Christian from Pakistan. We are working with the destitute and poor Christians in areas where the Christian families do not have access to the Word of God. We have visited your site. We have always been trying to find such valuable and precious teachings for my people to get involved in. Such teachings are the closest source to get right with God for believers. We have the task to get such teachings translated into Urdu and Punjabi languages for the people who are not able to go through this informative material in English, a foreign language and even record it.&lt;br /&gt;
 Here Pakistan we need much Word of God or teaching related Word of God, which is not available in our native language that is Urdu and Punjabi. Being a Professional Translator of Urdu and Punjabi languages I wish to translate your true teachings into Urdu and Punjabi languages. It will cost little but it will be great in the Kingdom of Lord Jesus Christ our saviour. In this way your teachings may reach to every true believer who can’t understand English. You can put that translation on your website. Or it can be distributed in Asian Countries who understand these languages. "There is nothing more precious than to hear the Word of God in your own languages".&lt;br /&gt;
Yours in Him&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respected Sir<br />
I am Nasir Shakeel, a Christian from Pakistan. We are working with the destitute and poor Christians in areas where the Christian families do not have access to the Word of God. We have visited your site. We have always been trying to find such valuable and precious teachings for my people to get involved in. Such teachings are the closest source to get right with God for believers. We have the task to get such teachings translated into Urdu and Punjabi languages for the people who are not able to go through this informative material in English, a foreign language and even record it.<br />
 Here Pakistan we need much Word of God or teaching related Word of God, which is not available in our native language that is Urdu and Punjabi. Being a Professional Translator of Urdu and Punjabi languages I wish to translate your true teachings into Urdu and Punjabi languages. It will cost little but it will be great in the Kingdom of Lord Jesus Christ our saviour. In this way your teachings may reach to every true believer who can’t understand English. You can put that translation on your website. Or it can be distributed in Asian Countries who understand these languages. &#8220;There is nothing more precious than to hear the Word of God in your own languages&#8221;.<br />
Yours in Him</p>
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		<title>Comment on PENTECOSTAL DISGRACE - Catch the Fire Honouring the Late Frank Houston by Novatian</title>
		<link>http://www.christian-witness.org/blog/?p=6#comment-11083</link>
		<author>Novatian</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.christian-witness.org/blog/?p=6#comment-11083</guid>
		<description>Head counts are not it, they who choose Christ have their convictions, fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22 is the best evidence, but also other gifts like a word of knowledge, or at least the gift of praying in tongues.

Reinhard Bonnke works in a team, and when at one time nine million heard him preach live and in open air, three million came forward for the altar call, by how the cards were filled, it was discerned one million by that time in that meeting had received Christ!

Afterward they need grow in Christ likeness, and you can see their worship and enthusiasm, and they struggle with Muslim relatives, sometimes forced to go back, then take Christian counsel.

Salvation involves presence, praise and prayer and the Bible, the Catholics argue Catechism is needed for years for real conversion, but I would say that while important it is sometimes just strong mental assent.

People committing themselves to Jesus cannot be for the anti-Christ. 

According to the Bible, there must be a great conversion, before a great turning away.

"The reaper overtakes the sower." Amos 9:13, and "In the last days many will turn to follow false teachers"... 1 Tim 4:1.

We have the power to discern before the day of salvation. The Bible mentions those do all their work and those who know to but only do part, and the beating the angels will give them. Luke 12:48.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Head counts are not it, they who choose Christ have their convictions, fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22 is the best evidence, but also other gifts like a word of knowledge, or at least the gift of praying in tongues.</p>
<p>Reinhard Bonnke works in a team, and when at one time nine million heard him preach live and in open air, three million came forward for the altar call, by how the cards were filled, it was discerned one million by that time in that meeting had received Christ!</p>
<p>Afterward they need grow in Christ likeness, and you can see their worship and enthusiasm, and they struggle with Muslim relatives, sometimes forced to go back, then take Christian counsel.</p>
<p>Salvation involves presence, praise and prayer and the Bible, the Catholics argue Catechism is needed for years for real conversion, but I would say that while important it is sometimes just strong mental assent.</p>
<p>People committing themselves to Jesus cannot be for the anti-Christ. </p>
<p>According to the Bible, there must be a great conversion, before a great turning away.</p>
<p>&#8220;The reaper overtakes the sower.&#8221; Amos 9:13, and &#8220;In the last days many will turn to follow false teachers&#8221;&#8230; 1 Tim 4:1.</p>
<p>We have the power to discern before the day of salvation. The Bible mentions those do all their work and those who know to but only do part, and the beating the angels will give them. Luke 12:48.</p>
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		<title>Comment on PENTECOSTAL DISGRACE - Catch the Fire Honouring the Late Frank Houston by Abraham</title>
		<link>http://www.christian-witness.org/blog/?p=6#comment-11075</link>
		<author>Abraham</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 23:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.christian-witness.org/blog/?p=6#comment-11075</guid>
		<description>Admittedly I have little hard evidence on this point, therefore it is pure conjecture - but - how do you measure claims being made by and on behalf of many preachers today, in the 21st. century - many such being soi-disant leaders and having never been 'called' - that 'thousands' have received Christ because of their 'anointed ministry'? Why did Jesus say in Matt. 7:14 'few there are that find the narrow way to eternal life (in Him)' Would anyone like to answer this, as I find that  these claims cannot be measured until the Day of Salvation - they certainly have never been nor can they be based upon some spurious head-count.  I personally believe that even biblical texts "and thousands believed on that day" always indicated a 'mental assent' and not heart conviction per sé. Whereas I am always convinced more fully of a binding salvation upon reading (for instance) "Repent and be baptized (water) every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins &#38; you shall receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost (being distinctly baptized in Holy Spirit) Mind you, I'm probably completely wrong in my conjectures and everyone of such pastors, leaders, ministers &#38; gospel preachers have been fully (a) born again (b) fully immersed into water baptism and (c) fully immersed into the Holy Spirit by a like baptism - with signs following. Thereby they are quite entitled to know and believe they have been called of God and evidence as appropriate some of the diverse gifts that the Apostle Paul clearly defines in scripture, and granted by Jesus Christ as Holy Spirit Baptizer - two of them being of course, 'to preach' &#38;/or 'to teach' in Holy Ghost power. However, if anyone foolishly lies about this and make pretence they are 'called of God' to do this or that, then conversions might well be 'insubstantial' and will not stand the light of Christ on the Day of Salvation and Judgement. Yes, I do love my fellow men, yet I see the need of strong men of God in these the last days, being assuredly empowered by the Holy Spirit. This to counteract the increasing tempo of Apostasy in the church, which in turn is birthing false prophets, teachers and so-called preachers, who are to the discerning, preparing the way for the false prophet and ultimately, anti-Christ, and certainly not a global revival.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admittedly I have little hard evidence on this point, therefore it is pure conjecture - but - how do you measure claims being made by and on behalf of many preachers today, in the 21st. century - many such being soi-disant leaders and having never been &#8216;called&#8217; - that &#8216;thousands&#8217; have received Christ because of their &#8216;anointed ministry&#8217;? Why did Jesus say in Matt. 7:14 &#8216;few there are that find the narrow way to eternal life (in Him)&#8217; Would anyone like to answer this, as I find that  these claims cannot be measured until the Day of Salvation - they certainly have never been nor can they be based upon some spurious head-count.  I personally believe that even biblical texts &#8220;and thousands believed on that day&#8221; always indicated a &#8216;mental assent&#8217; and not heart conviction per sé. Whereas I am always convinced more fully of a binding salvation upon reading (for instance) &#8220;Repent and be baptized (water) every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins &amp; you shall receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost (being distinctly baptized in Holy Spirit) Mind you, I&#8217;m probably completely wrong in my conjectures and everyone of such pastors, leaders, ministers &amp; gospel preachers have been fully (a) born again (b) fully immersed into water baptism and (c) fully immersed into the Holy Spirit by a like baptism - with signs following. Thereby they are quite entitled to know and believe they have been called of God and evidence as appropriate some of the diverse gifts that the Apostle Paul clearly defines in scripture, and granted by Jesus Christ as Holy Spirit Baptizer - two of them being of course, &#8216;to preach&#8217; &amp;/or &#8216;to teach&#8217; in Holy Ghost power. However, if anyone foolishly lies about this and make pretence they are &#8216;called of God&#8217; to do this or that, then conversions might well be &#8216;insubstantial&#8217; and will not stand the light of Christ on the Day of Salvation and Judgement. Yes, I do love my fellow men, yet I see the need of strong men of God in these the last days, being assuredly empowered by the Holy Spirit. This to counteract the increasing tempo of Apostasy in the church, which in turn is birthing false prophets, teachers and so-called preachers, who are to the discerning, preparing the way for the false prophet and ultimately, anti-Christ, and certainly not a global revival.</p>
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		<title>Comment on PENTECOSTAL DISGRACE - Catch the Fire Honouring the Late Frank Houston by Novatian</title>
		<link>http://www.christian-witness.org/blog/?p=6#comment-11064</link>
		<author>Novatian</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.christian-witness.org/blog/?p=6#comment-11064</guid>
		<description>Moses is referred to. Moses did learn something god those forty years in the wilderness before he saw the burning bush. He fled Egyptian justice. Perhaps you think NZ justice would have done more good for Frank than rebukes and prayers, meditations and Bible readings. Is prison helpful? I would say if he would be prevented from doing harm to someone, surely yes.

Paul preached that he is pleased, that is from the Holy Spirit, if the Gospel is preached from false motive or true. More complex now. Because of very clever misuse, and heresy.

If Frank was to cause harm, he should have gotten help. Perhaps he did. If no other way, he should have turned himself in to government counselors.

Fair scales from Moses, David, Paul... They pleased God, yes they suffered for their unfair scales. Was prison or is prison comparable, or vindictive? And vindication is right.

They were sinners at times.

Ten thousand people received Christ because Frank preached. Your saying he should not have? Or from prison? And after?

That would please God? I can see that protection, and warning from Christian judges is good, and leads to happiness. So Frank and maybe Brian, Hazel and anyone who knew, should have been punished? By courts? And Frank would come out repentant?

Maybe. Maybe for the better? What the victim or victims thought may have been they were ashamed. 

I think it is best if the victim of abuse, calls the authorities straight away, and then comes a warning. Diligent. Now it is complex, Frank hid his sins, a practice from Timothy's Epistle. Confessed in secret, and repented, and followed the Spirit of grace and led people to repentance and salvation. We did not see his suffering. It angers some. That he wasn't labeled and rejected for life. Always sorry.

He was not unlike David or Mary Magdalene or Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moses is referred to. Moses did learn something god those forty years in the wilderness before he saw the burning bush. He fled Egyptian justice. Perhaps you think NZ justice would have done more good for Frank than rebukes and prayers, meditations and Bible readings. Is prison helpful? I would say if he would be prevented from doing harm to someone, surely yes.</p>
<p>Paul preached that he is pleased, that is from the Holy Spirit, if the Gospel is preached from false motive or true. More complex now. Because of very clever misuse, and heresy.</p>
<p>If Frank was to cause harm, he should have gotten help. Perhaps he did. If no other way, he should have turned himself in to government counselors.</p>
<p>Fair scales from Moses, David, Paul&#8230; They pleased God, yes they suffered for their unfair scales. Was prison or is prison comparable, or vindictive? And vindication is right.</p>
<p>They were sinners at times.</p>
<p>Ten thousand people received Christ because Frank preached. Your saying he should not have? Or from prison? And after?</p>
<p>That would please God? I can see that protection, and warning from Christian judges is good, and leads to happiness. So Frank and maybe Brian, Hazel and anyone who knew, should have been punished? By courts? And Frank would come out repentant?</p>
<p>Maybe. Maybe for the better? What the victim or victims thought may have been they were ashamed. </p>
<p>I think it is best if the victim of abuse, calls the authorities straight away, and then comes a warning. Diligent. Now it is complex, Frank hid his sins, a practice from Timothy&#8217;s Epistle. Confessed in secret, and repented, and followed the Spirit of grace and led people to repentance and salvation. We did not see his suffering. It angers some. That he wasn&#8217;t labeled and rejected for life. Always sorry.</p>
<p>He was not unlike David or Mary Magdalene or Paul.</p>
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		<title>Comment on PENTECOSTAL DISGRACE - Catch the Fire Honouring the Late Frank Houston by Paul, a small potato</title>
		<link>http://www.christian-witness.org/blog/?p=6#comment-11058</link>
		<author>Paul, a small potato</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.christian-witness.org/blog/?p=6#comment-11058</guid>
		<description>Over 20 years ago John Piper preached a series on the Pleasures of God. The matter of understanding what pleases God should be of concern to every person who lives. I've pasted the sermon on His Pleasure regarding public justice just below, as it is relevant to this discussion.....
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Copyright ©1987, 1996 John Piper


"THE PLEASURE OF GOD IN PUBLIC JUSTICE" 

Proverbs 11:1


"A false balance is an abomination to the LORD, but a just weight is his delight.


We have been moving from the inside to the outside of life in the last three weeks. God takes pleasure in those who hope in his love. God delights in the prayers of the upright. God delights in obedience much more than in sacrifice. Hope is deepest within. It expresses itself in prayer. And then the obedience we spoke of is out in the open. But so far we have confined ourselves mainly to what you might call the religious part of life.


Today we move out one last step to that part of life which is not ordinarily considered religious. You might call it the "secular" part of your life, meaning the part where you have ordinary dealings with the world. You might call it the business part of your life. It includes things like filling up your gas tank and buying antiques and punching a time card and paying your taxes.


Does God have an interest in this part of your life? Does he take delight in the way you do things at the store or the office or the shop or the kitchen? Is any wrong behavior in these non-religious areas so significant that God would even call them an abomination?


With this concern we have moved out just about as far as we can go: from hope to prayer to general obedience to non-religious, business life. But there is one more step we could take, and I want to take it today. We could ask, Does God have any delight in the behavior of non-Christian people in the non-religious areas of life?


So we really have two areas to examine before us today: the non-religious, business life of Christians and the non-religious, business life of non-Christians. Does God take delight in any or all of this life? If so why? 


The aim, as always, is to clarify the character and nature of God by examining what he loves (remember Henry Scougal's quote! "The worth of a soul is measured by the object of its love"). But I know that this message will also carry much practical counsel for your daily lives, and so I hope that you will listen for both things.


First of all, let's take both areas together and simply ask what sorts of things are included in our text, Proverbs 11:1. The verse doesn't say whether only believers or also unbelievers are in view. It simply says, 


A false balance is an abomination to the LORD,
but a just weight is his delight.


The implications here are very far-reaching. But let's get the specific picture clear in our minds. Suppose you were a merchant in the Old Testament times and you sold corn meal. And suppose that in those days ten cents a pound was a fair price. Someone comes to you and asks to buy five pounds of corn meal. So you reach for your five pound stone and place it in the dish on one side of the scales. Then you take your big bag of meal and start pouring it into the dish on the other side of the scale. You pour until the two dishes swing at the same level. Then you pour the dish full of meal into your customer's container, and he knows that he has been given the right amount of grain. The size of a five pound stone is fairly common knowledge.


But then suppose that during the night you took a very sharp, hard blade and dug a small hole in the side of the stone and worked it around hollowing out the inside until it weighed only four pounds. Then you covered the little hole over with clay the same color as the stone and let it dry. The next day you don't use it on the educated and strong because they might make a fuss over the apparently smaller pile of meal and might even examine the stone. But when the child comes on behalf of his mother, and when the widow who is partially blind comes to buy meal, you use your deceitful stone. 


Our text says that this is an abomination to the Lord, but that the full weight is his delight.


Now what sorts of acts in the 1980's are implied in the phrase, "false balances" in Proverbs 11:1? Let me just mention four categories , which are really two different ways of dividing the acts into two categories. 


First, this verse refers to sellers and it refers to buyers:


1. It includes acts of selling when the seller does not give goods or services worth the price or the fee that he is charging. You can imagine a gasoline pump that reads a penny more per gallon than it should, or a scale at the grocery store that reads high, or a medicine label that claims too much, or a Realtor who doesn't tell a buyer about a flooding problem in the house he is selling or a college teacher who hasn't written a new lecture in ten years and spends his time remodeling his basement.


2. It includes acts of buying when the buyer schemes to pay less than the goods or services are really worth. You can see what God thinks of such an act in Proverbs 20:14 -- "'It is bad, it is bad,' says the buyer; but when he goes away, then he boasts." This would include paying some poor vendor in Mexico a ridiculously small sum for a quality rug he had made because he is desperate for a sale and you can take it or leave it. It would include not paying the late penalty on my water bill by dating my check back before the deadline.


The other way to categorize the acts denounced in Proverbs 11:1 it refers to acts of deceit and it refers to acts of injustice.


3. It includes acts that involve deceit in transactions with other people. And so the act expresses a lie. For example, in the next several days as you do your tax returns this verse has something very definite to say about whether your reporting is a delight to God or an abomination to God. Or you might file an insurance claim and lie about the extent of the damages in order to get a better settlement.


4. And the other side of this is that such acts always do an injustice to another person. A person does not get what is his due. For example, you might stick a person with a lemon of a car by not being truthful about its condition when you sell it. Or you might rush a refugee family into signing a lease for an unseen apartment and charge them exorbitant rent and leave the apartment in poor condition with no improvements. 


So I hope you can see that all such things are implied in Proverbs 11:1, "A false balance is an abomination to the LORD, but a just weight is his delight." You can be a deceitful seller or a deceitful buyer. And you can do and injustice to a buyer and you can do an injustice to a seller.


One lesson to be learned from this already is that God has an interest in all our non-religious life. All our business transactions are his concern. God is not so distant or even so "religious" that he only cares about what happens at church and during devotions. Every square inch of this earth is his and every minute of our lives is a loan from his breath. He is much more secular than we often think. 


And of course this should make a big difference in the way we live our non-religious lives. Charles Bridges, an evangelical pastor in the Church of England a century ago, asks this searching question: "Is it not a solemn thought, that the eye of God marks all our common dealings of life, either as an abomination or a delight?" Test yourself. Are you being shaped more by the secular spirit of the world or by the spirit of God? The test is this: do you feel that minor business misrepresentations are just part of the game rules of the day or are they an abomination to God?


Now I want to ask the question, Why is a just weight a delight to God in the hand of a believer? And then close by asking, Is a just weight a delight to God in the hand of an unbeliever? If so, Why?


Why is a just weight a delight to God in the hand of a believer? God delights in just and honest dealings from believers because these dealings make their God-honoring faith visible. Just and honest dealings make the saving lordship of God visible. Let me show you one of the places where this is taught explicitly.


In Leviticus 19:35-37 God gives instruction about just weights and balances, and he gives a motive.


You shall do no wrong in judgment, in measures of length or weight or quantity. You shall have just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin: I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt. And you shall observe all my statutes and all my ordinances, and do them: I am the Lord. 


How is God motivating honesty and justice here? Notice three things in verse 36: 


First he says, "I am the LORD!" That is, "I am Yahweh!" He uses his personal name that he used to Moses just before he brought the people out of Egypt. And you remember he explained the meaning of that name by saying, "I am who I am." The name implies absoluteness and independence and freedom and sovereignty.


Second, he says, "I am your God!." In other words, I am for you. I am on your side. My absoluteness and independence and freedom and sovereignty are yours. That is what it means if we can truly say, "Yahweh is my God!" 


Third, he says, "I brought you out of the land of Egypt." This is the specific illustration that demonstrates once and for all for Israel that God is for them. He is their God. He is absolute and free and sovereign -- not to destroy but to save his people. For Christians today the death and resurrection of Jesus -- the second Exodus -- has surpassed the first in value. 


Now what does all that have to do with the way you fill out your tax forms in the next two weeks? What does it have to do with just balances and honest weights?


Verse 36 says, "You shall have just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and just hin: I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt." Surely the point is this: 


if you really know that God is the LORD -- Yahweh, the absolute, independent, free and sovereign God of the universe; 

and if you trust him as YOUR GOD -- that he is for you with all his power; 

and if your faith is established and encouraged by the great demonstration of God's love in the Exodus (and the substitutionary death and victorious resurrection of Jesus!), 

then you will not need to fudge on your tax returns in order to make sure that you get the most happiness. 


You will believe that your omnipotent God has committed himself with all his absolute freedom and sovereign power to rescue you from Egypt and bring you to a land flowing with milk and honey and care for you every step of the way.


That's what I meant when I said that God delights in just and honest dealings from believers because these dealings make their faith visible. Just and honest dealings make the saving lordship and power of God visible. When a Christian acts with integrity instead of trying to get ahead with deceit, he demonstrates the power and love of the God of the Exodus. 


He says, I have a great God to take care of me! 


I have a Lord and Master who promises to meet all my needs according to his riches in Glory in Christ Jesus! 

I have a pillar of fire to guide me through dark times. 

I have a pillar of cloud to show me the way of joy in the day. 

I have a fountain of living water that never runs dry and always satisfies my thirst. 

How can I lie or deceive as though I were like men who trust in themselves and in their deceitful ingenuity to make a better life for themselves than God can make for me through the obedience of faith?

Proverbs 20:17 says, 


Bread gained by deceit is sweet to a man, 
but afterward his mouth will be full of gravel.


In other words when we use false balances or lie on our tax returns or misrepresent the facts in our dealings we are declaring that the fleeting sweetness of sin is more to be desired than the everlasting peace of God. This is no honor to God and therefore no delight to his heart. "A false balance is an abomination to the LORD, but a just weight is his delight." 


Now what about unbelievers? There are unbelievers who order their business lives in honest and just ways. Is this a delight to God?


The answer is no and yes, because God looks at the honesty of unbelievers in two different ways. 


When God looks at their honesty and justice as an outworking of their inner life of unbelief he does not delight in it because it is sin. Romans 14:23 says, "Whatever is not from faith is sin." 


Honest unbelievers are like a rebellious teenage son who rejects his parents and everything they stand for, and goes to another city. But to make it in the real world, he decides to play by some of their rules. So he gets a job as a cook at a restaurant. Months later his parents happen to visit that city and go to that restaurant. Without knowing that he is there they order one of their favorite delights (call "just balances" or "honest scales"). And without knowing it their own son makes their meal. But back there in the kitchen he is as rebellious as ever. He is not doing it for their sake at all. And so even this act of fixing what they have ordered is an expression of rebellion. And if his parents could be told the truth, they would not rejoice and say, "Oh, how wonderful, our son is now a delight to us, because he made our favorite meal!" 


So God does not delight in the honesty and the justice of unbelievers when he sees it as an expression of their rebellious and unbelieving hearts. Acts done without any trust in his grace or any love for God's glory are not a delight to God.


But there is a sense in which God does delight in the just balances and honest weights of unbelievers, namely, when he looks at their honesty and justice as fragment of his own divine work.


I get this from Proverbs 16:11. 


A just balance and scales are the Lord's;
all the weights in the bag are his work.


I think this means that wherever you find just scales and a bag of honest weights you find the work of God. Justice is God's creation. Honesty is God's design. Integrity is the work of God -- even in unbelievers; just like their head and heart and hands and feet are his work. 


Theologians call this common grace. It isn't saving grace. It doesn't get a man to heaven. It is the same grace that makes the sun come every day on the good and the evil and sends rain on the just and the unjust (Mt. 5:43-47). It is the grace that keeps a society from sinking into anarchy. And when God sees the work of his own common grace holding the world back from premature ruin, and giving at least some outward expression to his purposes of justice and honesty, he delights in what he sees.


The honesty and justice of unbelievers is like a sea shell washed up on the beach. There's no life in it. But it does have a kind of beauty. There is some sturdiness to it and symmetry and order. Life is more enjoyable because this shell exists. It has its uses: you could plant a flower in it; or you could use it to stud your rock wall, or you could teach things from it at school.


So it is with the integrity of unbelievers. It is the leftover shell of holiness. The vestige of the image of God. The residue of something glorious and beautiful in the heart of God. And the very work of his grace preserving and keeping his fallen humanity back from the precipice of anarchy and chaos. 

And when God looks on the honesty and justice of his unbelieving and rebellious creatures in this way he delights in their justice and takes pleasure in their honesty. It is the work of his own hands, and the gift of his grace.


Of all the lessons that we could draw out of these truths let me close with just one, and hope that you will make others to your own heart.


Since external conformity of unbelievers to God's designs of justice and honesty does in one way delight the heart of God, it was right of William Wilberforce to devote 20 years of his life in Parliament to the abolition of English slave trading, even though the great majority of those merchants who gave up the trade did it under constraint and not for any holy reasons at all. It was the work of God's grace that rid England of the barbarisms of the African slave trade. And therefore the Lord looked down with delight February 22, 1807 when the House of Commons passed the decisive bill.


He delighted most in the living power of holiness in the life of Wilberforce and Henry Thornton as they embraced one another and frolicked in the snow like schoolboys outside the chamber. 


And, in a different and mysterious way, God also delighted in the shell of holiness that took shape in English society when it was purged of the slave trade once and for all. For he delights in the work of his hands.


John Wesley, the great evangelist wrote to Wilberforce to strengthen his hand in God. He said,


Unless God has raised you up for this very thing, you will be worn out by the opposition of men and devils, but if God be for you who can be against you? Are all of them together stronger than God? Oh, be not weary in well-doing. . .


There are battles to be fought today in America against manifold injustices and indecencies. May the Lord give us wisdom to know whether we are called to fight like Wesley or to fight like Wilberforce.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over 20 years ago John Piper preached a series on the Pleasures of God. The matter of understanding what pleases God should be of concern to every person who lives. I&#8217;ve pasted the sermon on His Pleasure regarding public justice just below, as it is relevant to this discussion&#8230;..<br />
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Copyright ©1987, 1996 John Piper</p>
<p>&#8220;THE PLEASURE OF GOD IN PUBLIC JUSTICE&#8221; </p>
<p>Proverbs 11:1</p>
<p>&#8220;A false balance is an abomination to the LORD, but a just weight is his delight.</p>
<p>We have been moving from the inside to the outside of life in the last three weeks. God takes pleasure in those who hope in his love. God delights in the prayers of the upright. God delights in obedience much more than in sacrifice. Hope is deepest within. It expresses itself in prayer. And then the obedience we spoke of is out in the open. But so far we have confined ourselves mainly to what you might call the religious part of life.</p>
<p>Today we move out one last step to that part of life which is not ordinarily considered religious. You might call it the &#8220;secular&#8221; part of your life, meaning the part where you have ordinary dealings with the world. You might call it the business part of your life. It includes things like filling up your gas tank and buying antiques and punching a time card and paying your taxes.</p>
<p>Does God have an interest in this part of your life? Does he take delight in the way you do things at the store or the office or the shop or the kitchen? Is any wrong behavior in these non-religious areas so significant that God would even call them an abomination?</p>
<p>With this concern we have moved out just about as far as we can go: from hope to prayer to general obedience to non-religious, business life. But there is one more step we could take, and I want to take it today. We could ask, Does God have any delight in the behavior of non-Christian people in the non-religious areas of life?</p>
<p>So we really have two areas to examine before us today: the non-religious, business life of Christians and the non-religious, business life of non-Christians. Does God take delight in any or all of this life? If so why? </p>
<p>The aim, as always, is to clarify the character and nature of God by examining what he loves (remember Henry Scougal&#8217;s quote! &#8220;The worth of a soul is measured by the object of its love&#8221;). But I know that this message will also carry much practical counsel for your daily lives, and so I hope that you will listen for both things.</p>
<p>First of all, let&#8217;s take both areas together and simply ask what sorts of things are included in our text, Proverbs 11:1. The verse doesn&#8217;t say whether only believers or also unbelievers are in view. It simply says, </p>
<p>A false balance is an abomination to the LORD,<br />
but a just weight is his delight.</p>
<p>The implications here are very far-reaching. But let&#8217;s get the specific picture clear in our minds. Suppose you were a merchant in the Old Testament times and you sold corn meal. And suppose that in those days ten cents a pound was a fair price. Someone comes to you and asks to buy five pounds of corn meal. So you reach for your five pound stone and place it in the dish on one side of the scales. Then you take your big bag of meal and start pouring it into the dish on the other side of the scale. You pour until the two dishes swing at the same level. Then you pour the dish full of meal into your customer&#8217;s container, and he knows that he has been given the right amount of grain. The size of a five pound stone is fairly common knowledge.</p>
<p>But then suppose that during the night you took a very sharp, hard blade and dug a small hole in the side of the stone and worked it around hollowing out the inside until it weighed only four pounds. Then you covered the little hole over with clay the same color as the stone and let it dry. The next day you don&#8217;t use it on the educated and strong because they might make a fuss over the apparently smaller pile of meal and might even examine the stone. But when the child comes on behalf of his mother, and when the widow who is partially blind comes to buy meal, you use your deceitful stone. </p>
<p>Our text says that this is an abomination to the Lord, but that the full weight is his delight.</p>
<p>Now what sorts of acts in the 1980&#8217;s are implied in the phrase, &#8220;false balances&#8221; in Proverbs 11:1? Let me just mention four categories , which are really two different ways of dividing the acts into two categories. </p>
<p>First, this verse refers to sellers and it refers to buyers:</p>
<p>1. It includes acts of selling when the seller does not give goods or services worth the price or the fee that he is charging. You can imagine a gasoline pump that reads a penny more per gallon than it should, or a scale at the grocery store that reads high, or a medicine label that claims too much, or a Realtor who doesn&#8217;t tell a buyer about a flooding problem in the house he is selling or a college teacher who hasn&#8217;t written a new lecture in ten years and spends his time remodeling his basement.</p>
<p>2. It includes acts of buying when the buyer schemes to pay less than the goods or services are really worth. You can see what God thinks of such an act in Proverbs 20:14 &#8212; &#8220;&#8216;It is bad, it is bad,&#8217; says the buyer; but when he goes away, then he boasts.&#8221; This would include paying some poor vendor in Mexico a ridiculously small sum for a quality rug he had made because he is desperate for a sale and you can take it or leave it. It would include not paying the late penalty on my water bill by dating my check back before the deadline.</p>
<p>The other way to categorize the acts denounced in Proverbs 11:1 it refers to acts of deceit and it refers to acts of injustice.</p>
<p>3. It includes acts that involve deceit in transactions with other people. And so the act expresses a lie. For example, in the next several days as you do your tax returns this verse has something very definite to say about whether your reporting is a delight to God or an abomination to God. Or you might file an insurance claim and lie about the extent of the damages in order to get a better settlement.</p>
<p>4. And the other side of this is that such acts always do an injustice to another person. A person does not get what is his due. For example, you might stick a person with a lemon of a car by not being truthful about its condition when you sell it. Or you might rush a refugee family into signing a lease for an unseen apartment and charge them exorbitant rent and leave the apartment in poor condition with no improvements. </p>
<p>So I hope you can see that all such things are implied in Proverbs 11:1, &#8220;A false balance is an abomination to the LORD, but a just weight is his delight.&#8221; You can be a deceitful seller or a deceitful buyer. And you can do and injustice to a buyer and you can do an injustice to a seller.</p>
<p>One lesson to be learned from this already is that God has an interest in all our non-religious life. All our business transactions are his concern. God is not so distant or even so &#8220;religious&#8221; that he only cares about what happens at church and during devotions. Every square inch of this earth is his and every minute of our lives is a loan from his breath. He is much more secular than we often think. </p>
<p>And of course this should make a big difference in the way we live our non-religious lives. Charles Bridges, an evangelical pastor in the Church of England a century ago, asks this searching question: &#8220;Is it not a solemn thought, that the eye of God marks all our common dealings of life, either as an abomination or a delight?&#8221; Test yourself. Are you being shaped more by the secular spirit of the world or by the spirit of God? The test is this: do you feel that minor business misrepresentations are just part of the game rules of the day or are they an abomination to God?</p>
<p>Now I want to ask the question, Why is a just weight a delight to God in the hand of a believer? And then close by asking, Is a just weight a delight to God in the hand of an unbeliever? If so, Why?</p>
<p>Why is a just weight a delight to God in the hand of a believer? God delights in just and honest dealings from believers because these dealings make their God-honoring faith visible. Just and honest dealings make the saving lordship of God visible. Let me show you one of the places where this is taught explicitly.</p>
<p>In Leviticus 19:35-37 God gives instruction about just weights and balances, and he gives a motive.</p>
<p>You shall do no wrong in judgment, in measures of length or weight or quantity. You shall have just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin: I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt. And you shall observe all my statutes and all my ordinances, and do them: I am the Lord. </p>
<p>How is God motivating honesty and justice here? Notice three things in verse 36: </p>
<p>First he says, &#8220;I am the LORD!&#8221; That is, &#8220;I am Yahweh!&#8221; He uses his personal name that he used to Moses just before he brought the people out of Egypt. And you remember he explained the meaning of that name by saying, &#8220;I am who I am.&#8221; The name implies absoluteness and independence and freedom and sovereignty.</p>
<p>Second, he says, &#8220;I am your God!.&#8221; In other words, I am for you. I am on your side. My absoluteness and independence and freedom and sovereignty are yours. That is what it means if we can truly say, &#8220;Yahweh is my God!&#8221; </p>
<p>Third, he says, &#8220;I brought you out of the land of Egypt.&#8221; This is the specific illustration that demonstrates once and for all for Israel that God is for them. He is their God. He is absolute and free and sovereign &#8212; not to destroy but to save his people. For Christians today the death and resurrection of Jesus &#8212; the second Exodus &#8212; has surpassed the first in value. </p>
<p>Now what does all that have to do with the way you fill out your tax forms in the next two weeks? What does it have to do with just balances and honest weights?</p>
<p>Verse 36 says, &#8220;You shall have just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and just hin: I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt.&#8221; Surely the point is this: </p>
<p>if you really know that God is the LORD &#8212; Yahweh, the absolute, independent, free and sovereign God of the universe; </p>
<p>and if you trust him as YOUR GOD &#8212; that he is for you with all his power; </p>
<p>and if your faith is established and encouraged by the great demonstration of God&#8217;s love in the Exodus (and the substitutionary death and victorious resurrection of Jesus!), </p>
<p>then you will not need to fudge on your tax returns in order to make sure that you get the most happiness. </p>
<p>You will believe that your omnipotent God has committed himself with all his absolute freedom and sovereign power to rescue you from Egypt and bring you to a land flowing with milk and honey and care for you every step of the way.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I meant when I said that God delights in just and honest dealings from believers because these dealings make their faith visible. Just and honest dealings make the saving lordship and power of God visible. When a Christian acts with integrity instead of trying to get ahead with deceit, he demonstrates the power and love of the God of the Exodus. </p>
<p>He says, I have a great God to take care of me! </p>
<p>I have a Lord and Master who promises to meet all my needs according to his riches in Glory in Christ Jesus! </p>
<p>I have a pillar of fire to guide me through dark times. </p>
<p>I have a pillar of cloud to show me the way of joy in the day. </p>
<p>I have a fountain of living water that never runs dry and always satisfies my thirst. </p>
<p>How can I lie or deceive as though I were like men who trust in themselves and in their deceitful ingenuity to make a better life for themselves than God can make for me through the obedience of faith?</p>
<p>Proverbs 20:17 says, </p>
<p>Bread gained by deceit is sweet to a man,<br />
but afterward his mouth will be full of gravel.</p>
<p>In other words when we use false balances or lie on our tax returns or misrepresent the facts in our dealings we are declaring that the fleeting sweetness of sin is more to be desired than the everlasting peace of God. This is no honor to God and therefore no delight to his heart. &#8220;A false balance is an abomination to the LORD, but a just weight is his delight.&#8221; </p>
<p>Now what about unbelievers? There are unbelievers who order their business lives in honest and just ways. Is this a delight to God?</p>
<p>The answer is no and yes, because God looks at the honesty of unbelievers in two different ways. </p>
<p>When God looks at their honesty and justice as an outworking of their inner life of unbelief he does not delight in it because it is sin. Romans 14:23 says, &#8220;Whatever is not from faith is sin.&#8221; </p>
<p>Honest unbelievers are like a rebellious teenage son who rejects his parents and everything they stand for, and goes to another city. But to make it in the real world, he decides to play by some of their rules. So he gets a job as a cook at a restaurant. Months later his parents happen to visit that city and go to that restaurant. Without knowing that he is there they order one of their favorite delights (call &#8220;just balances&#8221; or &#8220;honest scales&#8221;). And without knowing it their own son makes their meal. But back there in the kitchen he is as rebellious as ever. He is not doing it for their sake at all. And so even this act of fixing what they have ordered is an expression of rebellion. And if his parents could be told the truth, they would not rejoice and say, &#8220;Oh, how wonderful, our son is now a delight to us, because he made our favorite meal!&#8221; </p>
<p>So God does not delight in the honesty and the justice of unbelievers when he sees it as an expression of their rebellious and unbelieving hearts. Acts done without any trust in his grace or any love for God&#8217;s glory are not a delight to God.</p>
<p>But there is a sense in which God does delight in the just balances and honest weights of unbelievers, namely, when he looks at their honesty and justice as fragment of his own divine work.</p>
<p>I get this from Proverbs 16:11. </p>
<p>A just balance and scales are the Lord&#8217;s;<br />
all the weights in the bag are his work.</p>
<p>I think this means that wherever you find just scales and a bag of honest weights you find the work of God. Justice is God&#8217;s creation. Honesty is God&#8217;s design. Integrity is the work of God &#8212; even in unbelievers; just like their head and heart and hands and feet are his work. </p>
<p>Theologians call this common grace. It isn&#8217;t saving grace. It doesn&#8217;t get a man to heaven. It is the same grace that makes the sun come every day on the good and the evil and sends rain on the just and the unjust (Mt. 5:43-47). It is the grace that keeps a society from sinking into anarchy. And when God sees the work of his own common grace holding the world back from premature ruin, and giving at least some outward expression to his purposes of justice and honesty, he delights in what he sees.</p>
<p>The honesty and justice of unbelievers is like a sea shell washed up on the beach. There&#8217;s no life in it. But it does have a kind of beauty. There is some sturdiness to it and symmetry and order. Life is more enjoyable because this shell exists. It has its uses: you could plant a flower in it; or you could use it to stud your rock wall, or you could teach things from it at school.</p>
<p>So it is with the integrity of unbelievers. It is the leftover shell of holiness. The vestige of the image of God. The residue of something glorious and beautiful in the heart of God. And the very work of his grace preserving and keeping his fallen humanity back from the precipice of anarchy and chaos. </p>
<p>And when God looks on the honesty and justice of his unbelieving and rebellious creatures in this way he delights in their justice and takes pleasure in their honesty. It is the work of his own hands, and the gift of his grace.</p>
<p>Of all the lessons that we could draw out of these truths let me close with just one, and hope that you will make others to your own heart.</p>
<p>Since external conformity of unbelievers to God&#8217;s designs of justice and honesty does in one way delight the heart of God, it was right of William Wilberforce to devote 20 years of his life in Parliament to the abolition of English slave trading, even though the great majority of those merchants who gave up the trade did it under constraint and not for any holy reasons at all. It was the work of God&#8217;s grace that rid England of the barbarisms of the African slave trade. And therefore the Lord looked down with delight February 22, 1807 when the House of Commons passed the decisive bill.</p>
<p>He delighted most in the living power of holiness in the life of Wilberforce and Henry Thornton as they embraced one another and frolicked in the snow like schoolboys outside the chamber. </p>
<p>And, in a different and mysterious way, God also delighted in the shell of holiness that took shape in English society when it was purged of the slave trade once and for all. For he delights in the work of his hands.</p>
<p>John Wesley, the great evangelist wrote to Wilberforce to strengthen his hand in God. He said,</p>
<p>Unless God has raised you up for this very thing, you will be worn out by the opposition of men and devils, but if God be for you who can be against you? Are all of them together stronger than God? Oh, be not weary in well-doing. . .</p>
<p>There are battles to be fought today in America against manifold injustices and indecencies. May the Lord give us wisdom to know whether we are called to fight like Wesley or to fight like Wilberforce.</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on PENTECOSTAL DISGRACE - Catch the Fire Honouring the Late Frank Houston by Paul, a small potato</title>
		<link>http://www.christian-witness.org/blog/?p=6#comment-11056</link>
		<author>Paul, a small potato</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re the cover-up:
You're right, Hazel knew. Frank's extended family knew also (I know some of them personally) when Frank's nuclear family moved from NZ to Australia in the 70s - so it is very unlikely that Brian didn't know at that time. The AoG hierarchy in NZ knew. So it is clear that some Pentecostal pastors did know, and covered up the sin.
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Time moves into the 80s and Frank re-offends - this time not with a minor, but with a trainee pastor who was "disciplined" in a sexual and inappropriate way. That mistreated man did complain to pastors at Christian Life Centre in Sydney city - and I was told in Hills CLC that [name] was making trouble for Frank in the city at that time without any details being shared. Information was always sanitised before being shared with leaders in the pre-Hillsong Church (is it still?) - and despite that 'spin' the sins were still sin - and yes, it is a messy and multi-faceted issue.
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I hope you never have someone close to you suffer in this type of way. It certainly would make you desire justice to be administered - not revenge, just justice. We are not wise to follow a doctrine of 'cheap grace'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re the cover-up:<br />
You&#8217;re right, Hazel knew. Frank&#8217;s extended family knew also (I know some of them personally) when Frank&#8217;s nuclear family moved from NZ to Australia in the 70s - so it is very unlikely that Brian didn&#8217;t know at that time. The AoG hierarchy in NZ knew. So it is clear that some Pentecostal pastors did know, and covered up the sin.<br />
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Time moves into the 80s and Frank re-offends - this time not with a minor, but with a trainee pastor who was &#8220;disciplined&#8221; in a sexual and inappropriate way. That mistreated man did complain to pastors at Christian Life Centre in Sydney city - and I was told in Hills CLC that [name] was making trouble for Frank in the city at that time without any details being shared. Information was always sanitised before being shared with leaders in the pre-Hillsong Church (is it still?) - and despite that &#8217;spin&#8217; the sins were still sin - and yes, it is a messy and multi-faceted issue.<br />
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I hope you never have someone close to you suffer in this type of way. It certainly would make you desire justice to be administered - not revenge, just justice. We are not wise to follow a doctrine of &#8216;cheap grace&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on PENTECOSTAL DISGRACE - Catch the Fire Honouring the Late Frank Houston by Novatian</title>
		<link>http://www.christian-witness.org/blog/?p=6#comment-11049</link>
		<author>Novatian</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.christian-witness.org/blog/?p=6#comment-11049</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Paul, Brian expelled Frank from ministry, that is his responsibility. Tough deal. Paul the apostle dealt with sexual sins without the pagan authorities. Ours are based on the Gospel and Moses, not paganism, but are not designed for church. That is, thirty years on. For this victim brother had many opportunities, hundreds. It must have been hard, complex in shame...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The police and judges have no defined understanding, as I know but a little of law, to help anyone in these situations. It is not known if the victim saw it as help, or revenge, or divine exactings...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hazel Houston is the one who did not act, it may be, and I think no one else knew.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No Pentecostal pastors knew and covered up the sins, true?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jesus paid the prices of victims and victimizers. The law is there to protect and warn - punishment as pay back, could serve God too - and then they have some of their discipline, should lead to justice at heart and peace. Not continual sorrow. Sorrow has its place, not life long.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Forgiveness is available, yes. Frank, according to the Gospel, should have made peace with the young man before he made his sacrifices on the altar. Matthew chapter 5:23.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The answer is receiving Jesus blood for both. The young man may have missed his needs. The Heavenly Father knows all loss and restorations.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is justice and saving justice. If caught early, the long arm of the law could rebuke and enforce judgement, even save minutes of humiliation. Concern and worry and anger, according to Matthew 6 and James Epistle, don't serve God's just purposes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes we should protect and warn... but I am not sure how effective it is for divine purposes. I don't know what I would do if I was Frank at 80 years. I think rather than ask for a Justice of the Peace judgment, I would ask belated forgiveness and pray for him. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Near death experiencers mention the love, that shame is overwhelmed with love from God, and God calls them to see people in a new light of eternity and love. As coming out of various victimizations myself, it is so hard to live a step into it. I suffer nightmares.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One NDE showed a man Hell, before Heaven, Ian McCormack, youtube and ws a glimpse of eternity. What we deserve and later get. If I can only put my soul's hands on Jesus' ankles instead of my adversary's necks. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Once washed in Jesus blood, the guilt is gone. Jesus sees as differently, not as sinners, salvation in the heart expresses the true person, in surrender. Jesus not Satan defines us. I am the righteousness or justice of God in Christ 2 Cor 5:21.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;State law could even be an obstacle to this, and there are hate campaigners who are false Christians - and one who calls Frank and Brian, "sickos" with horrible music...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I refer to Psalm 40, David "my sins are numerous like the hairs on my head." And "I will not with hold your truth and love from the assembly." "May those who say 'Aha, aha' be put to shame at their own sins." Alike Jesus with the woman who was to be stoned. "Deliverer".&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;David was delivered, sinned again in Psalm 51, and was disciplined by God severely that we shall not blaspheme.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also Saint Peter, said "Get away from me Lord, I am a sinful man." But Jesus pressed him to come with him. It was after Peter denied Jesus three times that Jesus asked him three times about his love for Jesus. And mentioned feeding His sheep, sheep, and lambs. And of how he must die in pain.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Gospel addresses such as children on whom Jesus put His hands on to give them the Holy Spirit, and Nicodemus a just man. And sick people, known to sin, demoniacs, Samaritans with living water. And hypocrites who were condemned, Roman soldiers who despite killing Jesus were forgiven. Mostly to sinners. The New Testament was largely written by Paul, who killed Stephen, that is administrated it. Written often from prison.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think Frank's sermons should still be in print.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Moses also struggled with anger, killing an Egyptian and striking the rock to produce water in the wilderness, instead of speaking to it. For which he never entered the promised land.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All Christian traditions hold that God repays, not as our sins deserve. Catholics think there is purgatory. Evil ones believe in God but instead of love or saving justice, have witch hunts, justice/rage, and like the idea of Hell. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I believe in Jesus, justice balanced with mercy, love, sight from that and eternity.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, Brian expelled Frank from ministry, that is his responsibility. Tough deal. Paul the apostle dealt with sexual sins without the pagan authorities. Ours are based on the Gospel and Moses, not paganism, but are not designed for church. That is, thirty years on. For this victim brother had many opportunities, hundreds. It must have been hard, complex in shame&#8230;</p>
<p>The police and judges have no defined understanding, as I know but a little of law, to help anyone in these situations. It is not known if the victim saw it as help, or revenge, or divine exactings&#8230;</p>
<p>Hazel Houston is the one who did not act, it may be, and I think no one else knew.</p>
<p>No Pentecostal pastors knew and covered up the sins, true?</p>
<p>Jesus paid the prices of victims and victimizers. The law is there to protect and warn - punishment as pay back, could serve God too - and then they have some of their discipline, should lead to justice at heart and peace. Not continual sorrow. Sorrow has its place, not life long.</p>
<p>Forgiveness is available, yes. Frank, according to the Gospel, should have made peace with the young man before he made his sacrifices on the altar. Matthew chapter 5:23.</p>
<p>The answer is receiving Jesus blood for both. The young man may have missed his needs. The Heavenly Father knows all loss and restorations.</p>
<p>There is justice and saving justice. If caught early, the long arm of the law could rebuke and enforce judgement, even save minutes of humiliation. Concern and worry and anger, according to Matthew 6 and James Epistle, don&#8217;t serve God&#8217;s just purposes.</p>
<p>Yes we should protect and warn&#8230; but I am not sure how effective it is for divine purposes. I don&#8217;t know what I would do if I was Frank at 80 years. I think rather than ask for a Justice of the Peace judgment, I would ask belated forgiveness and pray for him. </p>
<p>Near death experiencers mention the love, that shame is overwhelmed with love from God, and God calls them to see people in a new light of eternity and love. As coming out of various victimizations myself, it is so hard to live a step into it. I suffer nightmares.</p>
<p>One NDE showed a man Hell, before Heaven, Ian McCormack, youtube and ws a glimpse of eternity. What we deserve and later get. If I can only put my soul&#8217;s hands on Jesus&#8217; ankles instead of my adversary&#8217;s necks. </p>
<p>Once washed in Jesus blood, the guilt is gone. Jesus sees as differently, not as sinners, salvation in the heart expresses the true person, in surrender. Jesus not Satan defines us. I am the righteousness or justice of God in Christ 2 Cor 5:21.</p>
<p>State law could even be an obstacle to this, and there are hate campaigners who are false Christians - and one who calls Frank and Brian, &#8220;sickos&#8221; with horrible music&#8230;</p>
<p>I refer to Psalm 40, David &#8220;my sins are numerous like the hairs on my head.&#8221; And &#8220;I will not with hold your truth and love from the assembly.&#8221; &#8220;May those who say &#8216;Aha, aha&#8217; be put to shame at their own sins.&#8221; Alike Jesus with the woman who was to be stoned. &#8220;Deliverer&#8221;.</p>
<p>David was delivered, sinned again in Psalm 51, and was disciplined by God severely that we shall not blaspheme.</p>
<p>Also Saint Peter, said &#8220;Get away from me Lord, I am a sinful man.&#8221; But Jesus pressed him to come with him. It was after Peter denied Jesus three times that Jesus asked him three times about his love for Jesus. And mentioned feeding His sheep, sheep, and lambs. And of how he must die in pain.</p>
<p>The Gospel addresses such as children on whom Jesus put His hands on to give them the Holy Spirit, and Nicodemus a just man. And sick people, known to sin, demoniacs, Samaritans with living water. And hypocrites who were condemned, Roman soldiers who despite killing Jesus were forgiven. Mostly to sinners. The New Testament was largely written by Paul, who killed Stephen, that is administrated it. Written often from prison.</p>
<p>I think Frank&#8217;s sermons should still be in print.</p>
<p>Moses also struggled with anger, killing an Egyptian and striking the rock to produce water in the wilderness, instead of speaking to it. For which he never entered the promised land.</p>
<p>All Christian traditions hold that God repays, not as our sins deserve. Catholics think there is purgatory. Evil ones believe in God but instead of love or saving justice, have witch hunts, justice/rage, and like the idea of Hell. </p>
<p>I believe in Jesus, justice balanced with mercy, love, sight from that and eternity.</p>
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		<author>Paul, a small potato</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Novatian,
No, Brian Houston did not report this confession by his father, to the police. Every pastor is in a place of trust in their community. They are also required by law in Australia to report cases of abuse or cases where they genuinely suspect abuse - this is mandated of them, and over-rides the requirement for confidentiality. Brian has no excuse for not reporting this to the NSW Police whose duty is to contact the NZ Police regarding Brian's father's abuse of at least one minor in NZ some decades before.
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Is forgiveness available? Yes, absolutely. 
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Should justice be an ongoing concern for action by all Christians? Yes, absolutely.
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How would you feel if you had been violated as a young person by your pastor, Novatian, only to see those who knew cover it up ('sweep it under the carpet' so to speak) even though they could have done something about it? Put yourself in the victim's place and consider the impact of that betrayal both through the perpetrator's evil behaviour and through the lack of action in bringing him to justice by those who covered it up. This is not how members of the body of Christ should function. 
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So what good would it have done to bring these evil deeds to the light?
For one it would have supported the victim and the burden they carry. And for another it would have shown all that the Pentecostal Christians in Australia value purity, holiness &#38; truth more highly than covering up a mate's sins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Novatian,<br />
No, Brian Houston did not report this confession by his father, to the police. Every pastor is in a place of trust in their community. They are also required by law in Australia to report cases of abuse or cases where they genuinely suspect abuse - this is mandated of them, and over-rides the requirement for confidentiality. Brian has no excuse for not reporting this to the NSW Police whose duty is to contact the NZ Police regarding Brian&#8217;s father&#8217;s abuse of at least one minor in NZ some decades before.<br />
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Is forgiveness available? Yes, absolutely.<br />
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Should justice be an ongoing concern for action by all Christians? Yes, absolutely.<br />
.<br />
How would you feel if you had been violated as a young person by your pastor, Novatian, only to see those who knew cover it up (&#8217;sweep it under the carpet&#8217; so to speak) even though they could have done something about it? Put yourself in the victim&#8217;s place and consider the impact of that betrayal both through the perpetrator&#8217;s evil behaviour and through the lack of action in bringing him to justice by those who covered it up. This is not how members of the body of Christ should function.<br />
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So what good would it have done to bring these evil deeds to the light?<br />
For one it would have supported the victim and the burden they carry. And for another it would have shown all that the Pentecostal Christians in Australia value purity, holiness &amp; truth more highly than covering up a mate&#8217;s sins.</p>
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